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From: Chris Torres <...@gmail.com>
To: celeron55@gmail.com
Subject: Nyan Cat blocks
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Hello there, my name is Chris Torres and I am the artist and copyright
holder for the Nyan Cat image.� I've noticed your game has Nyan Cat blocks
and I'd like to ask that you please remove my art from your game.
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 17:09:41 +0300
From: Perttu Ahola <celeron55@gmail.com>
To: Chris Torres <...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Nyan Cat blocks
User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15)
Are you sure you want to do this? You'll get a fair amount of internet
asshurtery directed at you, because this request will be published as
the reasoning.
I'd imagine some kind of a licensing scheme would work fairly well.
// celeron55
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 17:17:49 +0300
From: Perttu Ahola <celeron55@gmail.com>
To: Chris Torres <...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Nyan Cat blocks
User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15)
Oh, and by the way, I won't believe until you mail me from a more
authoritative address.
// celeron55
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 09:29:00 -0500
From: Chris Torres <prguitarman1@gmail.com>
To: Perttu Ahola <celeron55@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Nyan Cat blocks
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Sent you an email from my official e-mail, which is listed on Nyan.cat ,
as proof that this is indeed Chris Torres. It's just easier to write an
e-mail from this address right now
Before I make my final decision, I'd really like some clarification on a
few things in your game:
1. Is this a totally free to play game?
2. From what I gather, the content in your game has to be Creative Commons
compliant. Nyan Cat is not a CC license entity, and from what I've seen
there's not even credit listed to me.
3. What is your relation to Vanessa Ezekowitz (vanessaezekowitz@gmail.com
) ? She is the one who brought this up to my attention, but came across as
extremely arrogant, disrespectful and downright rude, which is primarily
the reason I sent you this e-mail today. She does fully understand how
copyright works and basically said she needed permission, but would still
use it even if I said no.
4. I'd like to hear options for a licensing agreement.
I'm on AIM as PRGuitarman1 if you want to chat faster, or you can send me
a message on this Gmail thing
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 09:20:09 -0500
From: Chris Torres <pr@prguitarman.com>
To: "celeron55@gmail.com" <celeron55@gmail.com>
Subject: Nyan cat blocks
X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206)
This is my official email. I am just using my gmail account because it's on my laptop right now.
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 17:24:49 +0300
From: Perttu Ahola <celeron55@gmail.com>
To: Chris Torres <pr@prguitarman.com>
Subject: Re: Nyan cat blocks
User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15)
Ok, I call bullshit.
// celeron55
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 09:35:39 -0500
From: Chris Torres <pr@prguitarman.com>
To: Perttu Ahola <celeron55@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Nyan cat blocks
X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206)
Not sure how much clearer this can be when I'm telling you I'm ...@gmail.com and sending
an email from my main email address, which is listed on the main Nyan.cat site. My gmail is on my
laptop and my prguitarman.com email is on my phone. I don't want to type from my phone so I am
typing on my laptop's gmail
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 17:56:26 +0300
From: Perttu Ahola <celeron55@gmail.com>
To: Chris Torres <...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Nyan Cat blocks
User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15)
Oh I see, one of the mails did come from somewhere else. I might trust
you.
1. The game is licensed under LGPL (with me not holding all of the
copyright, thus is practically always stuck to that license), and most
of it's textures are under CC BY-SA 3.0. This is generally considered
to make software practically unsellable.
2. Half of the time things on the internet aren't really traceable to
their original authors, and most of the time people are just fine to
let them spread around freely. Thus you cannot reasonably expect
somebody to find out what the author might want per each individual
meme-ish thing you might have used. I am fine with crediting you now
that I know that somebody behind the art *is* known, and that somebody
does not want such free distribution.
3. I know her a bit, her being one member of the large-ish Minetest
community. As for what I have seen, she is brutally factful, not
exactly rude.
4.
First of all, using only the colors and only the head texture fairly
intact in a community-developed open source game should be, and is,
fine to any reasonable person. I am in the hopes that you are one.
I can think of a couple of legal ways to solve this you might be able
to settle with:
1. You will grant the modified texture, that Minetest is using, a
CC BY-NC-SA license, which will allow it to be used, with a few
fixes or not, in Minetest and possible modified versions of
Minetest, as long as it is not sold and as long as the authors
(you as the original, and the one who has improvised it to fit to
a Minetest block) are credited.
2. Something stricter, up to this:
You will grant a license that allows the current texture to be
included in non-sold versions of Minetest distributed by me. I am
not sure about the practicality of this - it will work quite like
above in practice, except that it will cause unnecessary burden
on people who take Minetest and modify it for their local
Minetest community, or what ever. To be honest, I don't want
this; I'd rather just remove it to get rid of the burden - I nor
anyone else gets any pay or profit from Minetest except a very
few donations, so it's not worth it.
// celeron55
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 17:59:19 +0300
From: Perttu Ahola <celeron55@gmail.com>
To: Chris Torres <...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Nyan Cat blocks
User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15)
Oh and - as it stands now, the texture in Minetest has been
distributed under CC BY-SA.
// celeron55
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 10:10:24 -0500
From: Chris Torres <...@gmail.com>
To: Perttu Ahola <celeron55@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Nyan Cat blocks
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Yeah, I hear you out, however I cannot grant a CC License for my image.
It would not be fair to me or other developers who have existing official
licensing agreements with me.
I like and respect your game but I'd like to kindly ask that you please
take down my Nyan Cat art from your game. I have to protect myself and by
law I'm supposed to work these things out once they come to my attention
or else I lose what I've worked for.
Also, I do not appreciate what you said earlier, when you stated "You'll
get a fair amount of internet asshurtery directed at you". The way you
stated it sounds like a threat, and I'd like to state that if I see this
take-down publicized in bad light I won't be happy about it. I have
approached this respectfully and hope you do, too. Please let me know
when Nyan Cat has been removed from your game, and best of luck with your
project.
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 18:24:36 +0300
From: Perttu Ahola <celeron55@gmail.com>
To: Chris Torres <...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Nyan Cat blocks
User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15)
I do not threat anyone, I tell facts. I publish everything related to
this project, because it is openly developed by anyone who wants. By
talking to me about Minetest, you are talking to anyone who wishes to
hear the conversation.
Anyway, you have appeared to have made a choice.
The block will not have the exact Nyan Cat colors or the exact head
texture in a future release.
// celeron55
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