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Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 08:12:58 -0500                                                              
From: Chris Torres <...@gmail.com>                                                       
To: celeron55@gmail.com                                                                           
Subject: Nyan Cat blocks                                                                          
                                                                                                  
[-- Autoview using /usr/bin/elinks -force-html -dump ''/tmp/mutt.html'' --]                       
   Hello there, my name is Chris Torres and I am the artist and copyright                         
   holder for the Nyan Cat image.� I've noticed your game has Nyan Cat blocks                     
   and I'd like to ask that you please remove my art from your game.                              


Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 17:09:41 +0300                                                              
From: Perttu Ahola <celeron55@gmail.com>                                                          
To: Chris Torres <...@gmail.com>                                                         
Subject: Re: Nyan Cat blocks                                                                      
User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15)                                                              
                                                                                                  
Are you sure you want to do this? You'll get a fair amount of internet                            
asshurtery directed at you, because this request will be published as                             
the reasoning.                                                                                    
                                                                                                  
I'd imagine some kind of a licensing scheme would work fairly well.                               
                                                                                                  
// celeron55                                                                                      
                                                                                                  

Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 17:17:49 +0300                                                              
From: Perttu Ahola <celeron55@gmail.com>                                                          
To: Chris Torres <...@gmail.com>                                                         
Subject: Re: Nyan Cat blocks                                                                      
User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15)                                                              
                                                                                                  
Oh, and by the way, I won't believe until you mail me from a more                                 
authoritative address.                                                                            
                                                                                                  
// celeron55                                                                                      


Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 09:20:09 -0500                                                              
From: Chris Torres <pr@prguitarman.com>                                                           
To: "celeron55@gmail.com" <celeron55@gmail.com>                                                   
Subject: Nyan cat blocks                                                                          
X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206)                                                                     
                                                                                                  
This is my official email. I am just using my gmail account because it's on my laptop right now.  
             
                                                                                     
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 17:24:49 +0300                                                              
From: Perttu Ahola <celeron55@gmail.com>                                                          
To: Chris Torres <pr@prguitarman.com>                                                             
Subject: Re: Nyan cat blocks                                                                      
User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15)                                                              
                                                                                                  
Ok, I call bullshit.                                                                              
              
                                                                                    
// celeron55                                                                                      


Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 09:35:39 -0500                                                              
From: Chris Torres <pr@prguitarman.com>                                                           
To: Perttu Ahola <celeron55@gmail.com>                                                            
Subject: Re: Nyan cat blocks                                                                      
X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206)                                                                     
                                                                                                  
Not sure how much clearer this can be when I'm telling you I'm ...@gmail.com and sending 
an email from my main email address, which is listed on the main Nyan.cat site. My gmail is on my 
laptop and my prguitarman.com email is on my phone. I don't want to type from my phone so I am    
typing on my laptop's gmail                                                                       
             
                                                                                     
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 17:56:26 +0300                                                              
From: Perttu Ahola <celeron55@gmail.com>                                                          
To: Chris Torres <...@gmail.com>                                                         
Subject: Re: Nyan Cat blocks                                                                      
User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15)                                                              
                                                                                                  
Oh I see, one of the mails did come from somewhere else. I might trust                            
you.                                                                                              
                                                                                                  
1. The game is licensed under LGPL (with me not holding all of the                                
copyright, thus is practically always stuck to that license), and most                            
of it's textures are under CC BY-SA 3.0. This is generally considered                             
to make software practically unsellable.                                                          
                                                                                                  
2. Half of the time things on the internet aren't really traceable to                             
their original authors, and most of the time people are just fine to                              
let them spread around freely. Thus you cannot reasonably expect                                  
somebody to find out what the author might want per each individual                               
meme-ish thing you might have used. I am fine with crediting you now                              
that I know that somebody behind the art *is* known, and that somebody                            
does not want such free distribution.                                                             
                                                                                                  
3. I know her a bit, her being one member of the large-ish Minetest                               
community. As for what I have seen, she is brutally factful, not                                  
exactly rude.                                                                                     
                                                                                                  
4.                                                                                                
                                                                                                  
First of all, using only the colors and only the head texture fairly                              
intact in a community-developed open source game should be, and is,                               
fine to any reasonable person. I am in the hopes that you are one.                                
                                                                                                  
I can think of a couple of legal ways to solve this you might be able                             
to settle with:                                                                                   
  1. You will grant the modified texture, that Minetest is using, a                               
     CC BY-NC-SA license, which will allow it to be used, with a few                              
     fixes or not, in Minetest and possible modified versions of                                  
     Minetest, as long as it is not sold and as long as the authors                               
     (you as the original, and the one who has improvised it to fit to                            
     a Minetest block) are credited.                                                              
  2. Something stricter, up to this:                                                              
     You will grant a license that allows the current texture to be                               
     included in non-sold versions of Minetest distributed by me. I am                            
     not sure about the practicality of this - it will work quite like                            
     above in practice, except that it will cause unnecessary burden                              
     on people who take Minetest and modify it for their local                                    
     Minetest community, or what ever. To be honest, I don't want                                 
     this; I'd rather just remove it to get rid of the burden - I nor                             
     anyone else gets any pay or profit from Minetest except a very                               
     few donations, so it's not worth it.                                                         
                                                                                                  
// celeron55                                                                                      


Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 17:59:19 +0300                                                              
From: Perttu Ahola <celeron55@gmail.com>                                                          
To: Chris Torres <...@gmail.com>                                                         
Subject: Re: Nyan Cat blocks                                                                      
User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15)                                                              
                                                                                                  
Oh and - as it stands now, the texture in Minetest has been                                       
distributed under CC BY-SA.                                                                       
                                                                                                  
// celeron55                                                                                      


Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 10:10:24 -0500                                                              
From: Chris Torres <...@gmail.com>                                                       
To: Perttu Ahola <celeron55@gmail.com>                                                            
Subject: Re: Nyan Cat blocks                                                                      
                                                                                                  
[-- Autoview using /usr/bin/elinks -force-html -dump ''/tmp/mutt.html'' --]                       
   Yeah, I hear you out, however I cannot grant a CC License for my image.                        
   It would not be fair to me or other developers who have existing official                      
   licensing agreements with me.                                                                  
                                                                                                  
   I like and respect your game but I'd like to kindly ask that you please                        
   take down my Nyan Cat art from your game.  I have to protect myself and by                     
   law I'm supposed to work these things out once they come to my attention                       
   or else I lose what I've worked for.                                                           
                                                                                                  
   Also, I do not appreciate what you said earlier, when you stated "You'll                       
   get a fair amount of internet asshurtery directed at you".  The way you                        
   stated it sounds like a threat, and I'd like to state that if I see this                       
   take-down publicized in bad light I won't be happy about it.  I have                           
   approached this respectfully and hope you do, too.  Please let me know                         
   when Nyan Cat has been removed from your game, and best of luck with your                      
   project.                                                                                       


Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 18:24:36 +0300                                                              
From: Perttu Ahola <celeron55@gmail.com>                                                          
To: Chris Torres <...@gmail.com>                                                         
Subject: Re: Nyan Cat blocks                                                                      
User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15)                                                              
                                                                                                  
I do not threat anyone, I tell facts. I publish everything related to                             
this project, because it is openly developed by anyone who wants. By                              
talking to me about Minetest, you are talking to anyone who wishes to                             
hear the conversation.                                                                            
                                                                                                  
Anyway, you have appeared to have made a choice.                                                  
                                                                                                  
The block will not have the exact Nyan Cat colors or the exact head                               
texture in a future release.                                                                      
                                                                                                  
// celeron55